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Difference between Fenn Swordfish S and Fenn Swordfish - by: RichardCampbell

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Hi All
Just wanting to know if there really a huge difference between the Swordfish and Swordfish S, in stability and paddling the two. I have been paddling the Elite S.
Also how does the Vajda 43 compare to the above??
Any information would help
Thanks
Richard

Carbonology Boost and Think Zen : same group? - by: Canario

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Carbonology Boost: 5.95 x 50.5
Think Zen : 5.60 x 52
Both are supposed to be in the group of boats between beginners and intermediate, but being so different looking at their measures, would they really be included in the same group of boats?
I really appreciate any opinion.

Knysna viper-opinions please - by: davestephans

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Hello, first time poster here.
Recently I got my first ski, a knysna viper and am curious to see what other peoples opinions of the ski are. Information on the net about it is very sparse and the only mention of it is on this forum is from a self confessed inexperienced paddler.
So far I am really liking it. To my inexperienced eye It looks to have a lot of front rocker so is very easy to turn in choppy water but not as fast on the flat as its length would suggest.
Its fairly tippy but I can paddle a k1 so that's not a problem. I can also remount it so that aspect is good too.
I would like to hear other peoples views on it and especially how you think it compares to other skis. I got it for a great price so if you think its rubbish, please say. I won't be offended.
Thanks

Any experiences with the new NELO 600 Double? - by: SurfskiEstonia

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Hi, guys!

The new Nelo 600 Double is often featured on Oscar Chalupsky's Instagram and FB. Has any of You had the chance to take this boat out to surf? How would You compare it to the Epic V10 Double? I understand from it's width that it's beginner-level stability, but what about the speed and acceleration to catch the wave?

All input very much appreciated :)

Carbonology Cruze to Revo R3. - by: mike k

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I thought I would share my initial thoughts on changing from my Cruze to a Revo R3. My account maybe of interest to others relatively new to Surfski as I started out in Surfskis with the Cruze just over a year ago. I am 52 6ft tall and weigh 12.5 stone and have kayaked for the last couple of years mainly on sit ons fishing. I also did kayaking many years ago with the scouts.

I bought my Cruze in hybrid lay up back in August last year and immediately got on well with it using it in the sea and river and over the year have gained confidence to a point where I will look for a forecast of wave height up to around 0.8 metre for a little downwinding/wave running to give an indication of my ability.

I started to think earlier in the year I could maybe move to another slightly more demanding Surfski to try and continue my learning and improve my ability and the Revo R3 came about after being taken with the concept and liason with Alan Hunter who is now the UK agent.

For my initial outing after taking delivery of the much more pointy R3 I went to the river to make sure there were no mishaps first time out. I went to my local slipway and floated her and hopped in side saddle. (This was the first quite major difference I noticed with the seat being both narrower and more importantly significantly deeper than the Cruze and it felt slightly uncomfortable sitting side saddle)Anyway I swung my legs inboard as I have become accustomed to in the Cruze and immediately rolled out the other side of the R3 into the river to my shock but amusement of others.

After chatting with a Guy who was watching and was a Surfskier I nervously got back in side saddle got one leg in and then started to paddle with my other leg trailing for a couple of strokes and I was off. To me the R3 felt so twitchy not wanting to sit even upright without tipping off centre and I paddled nervously toward the lock. On the plus side it looks so racy and pointy from the cockpit and got a few admiring glances I think because I didn't dare look anything but straight ahead.

I got a little more confident with some forward momentum appearing to balance her out a little and made it to the pontoon at the lock. I then remembered a review where the tester said the Revo does feel a little nervous on centre but then with a little lean the secondary stability kicks in so I put the paddle on the side and let her lean over slightly to feel that secondary stability however I must have passed that stage quickly as I found myself swimming next to the boat before I knew what was happening.

My first trip to the sea was after another river trip and in very calm conditions but with that slight wallowing motion as I paddled parallel to the beach (close enough to swim to shore if needed) had me in probably 10 plus times in a 2 hour period.

At this stage my Cruze felt like an old cuddly mate and the R3 a giant swan vesta match and I wondered if I had made a mistake.

At this point I had a bit of fortune as I enquired about a cover for the R3 with Robin of Durban Surfski and had a conversation about my difficulties. Robin gave me some great tips like pivoting on my hips to aid balancing as I seemed to be trying to use my whole top half in one movement. He also suggested sitting in the ski without a paddle to quicken the balance learning.

These two things plus others have definitely helped and also shown me that some of this is in the mind as I could not look behind me even on the river as my brain knew I would fall out. However last time out in the river I went with a drysuit on so I was warm and had a play around after deliberately falling in I was amazed there was more balance than I thought. After we paddled off from that training exercise I could look behind me on the river so that was clearly just a mental block and nervousness.

As a result of the deeper seat it is also harder to get back in from a deep water remount but I find if done to a sequence it does work every time and on the plus side the deeper and narrower seat (34 inch waist) feels snugger and more comfortable to paddle in than the Cruze.

I have now used the R3 5 times on the river and 3 in the sea and have made some progression and last time out in the sea I can paddle a calm sea without falling in and once it chops up a little an occasional spill but as the wind increased to create a confused chop I was struggling and called it a day.

I have carried out some basic comparison between the Cruze and the R3 using mapmyride Gps and have found on the river where I can paddle the R3 at my full power it is roughly 8 % faster in a sprint and the same over a 2km timed run.

I have found with its bigger Surf rudder the R3 turns positively and am hoping my improvement continues so I can see if she goes downwind as well as she looks. I will be keeping the Cruze however for the foreseeable future.

Hairline Cracks in Brand New Surfski - by: HangTen

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I recently purchased a new Epic surfski in Club layup. Took it for a spin for the first time on flat and briefly through 1 foot chop. While wiping it down I noticed some fine hairline cracks on either side wall near the front of the bucket. Don't know if they were there at delivery because they are very fine. Boat was transported on Goodboy V-bars.

Is this typical of the layup or a manufacturing defect I should try to warranty out? Haven't had opportunity to meet up with the local dealer yet, so any advice/info is appreciated. Thanks.

Fenn Swordfish S sale for sale in Caribbean - by: NZMax

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I have a Fenn Swordfish S for sale. We are currently in Grenada in the Southern Caribbean. Any ski paddlers over this way looking for a great ski?

Excellent condition, no leaks. Vacuum Glass layup.

May be able to help with delivery to other Caribbean islands.

New price USD 2,500. Asking USD 1,200

Forward leaning bucket? - by: mickeyA

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Is there are ski out there who’s bucket forces you to lean forward? I mainly paddle V10 Sport g2 and old XT. Over longer distances, I find my butt gradually slides down and forward into the low middle spot of the bucket. This causes me to curve my back, slumping a bit. I have to sort of jump up, push back with legs to slide my backside back up to a more comfortable, higher, position in the back part of the bucket. I like my butt being the furthest point back, causing a strong, slightly forward lean with straight back. Surely there is a seat design that forces a slight forward lean (if not, there is a way to improve in design). If the only answer is padding, what is best product? Thanks.

Nominal Lifespan of Boats - by: HangTen

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While I know in reality the lifespan of a boat depends on any number of factors(how often/conditions you paddle, geographical location/uv exposure, how it's stored, bad luck knocks or surf can certainly break even a new boat, etc.) what is considered the nominal/typical expected lifespan of gel-coated(excluding the spec skis or exposed carbon boats like the Epic GT where the exposure to uv and stiffness when it comes to knocks might skew the average) boats in normal(excluding rocky down river races/huge surf break) use?

And lifespan defined as before any repairs, as I imagine in the hands of a skilled repair specialist you could extend the life considerably if not indefinitely(I imagine there would be a point where the cost/benefit of repair would exceed that of buying a new boat).

All other things being equal any difference for glass, kevlar, or carbon?

Repairing different layups - by: HangTen

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To all the composite repair specialists(Ranga and any others on the forum) and those with first hand experience getting their boats repaired, what is the relative difficulty of repairing different layups?


The general impression I get from different tid bits of information on different forums is that:

- fiberglass is the easiest; a lot of that may have to do with just the relative ease of finding someone qualified in fiberglass repair regardless of geographical location, correct me if I'm wrong.

- carbon is more difficult; that may have more to do with the greater scarcity of information and depending on where you're located, access to skilled repair specialists as well as the different coring used with the lighter layups than due to the difficulty of the carbon fiber itself. Again, correct me if I'm completely wrong, this is just the impression I've gathered

- kevlar is most difficult because of the nature of the fabric itself and the way the fibers "fluff" when you try to grind/repair as well as probably even greater scarcity of information on repairing and finding specialist skilled in using kevlar.

- hybrid layups; I would imagine combining the different fabrics in a single boat increases the complexity of the repair, especially any boat that includes kevlar. But is a glass/CF hybrid boat more difficult to repair than an all glass boat or an all CF boat? Is a glass/CF boat repaired with just CF? Or is the sandwich recreated with glass and CF(if the area where the repair is needed is a CF/glass sandwich; I know some manufacturers selectively use different fabric on different parts of the boat)?


Your thoughts are all appreciated. Thanks!

McGregor Classic Ski - by: zachhandler

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Has anyone had a chance to try one?

Standards of Quality - by: HangTen

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When it comes to buying new white surfskis(full paint job Hukis, Revos, etc. might be different) what is the generally accepted standard when it comes to finish? Is function the only consideration or does attention to detail matter?

What do most people check for when taking delivery of a ski? Test for softspots? How do most people test for soft spots? Dings? Scratches? Pinholes?

If you found the below cracks on the gunwales of a new ski would it give anyone else pause?

Thanks!

Chunky venturi covers - by: Canadasurfskiguy

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I've been thinking lately and I'm not sure if my thoughts are of the silly hair splitting nature or are of some worth.

I've got an elite sl. It has two venturis, each cover has a chunky lip where it's glued on to the boat and is also quite big. Their much bigger than the venturi cover on my old v10L and I think their bigger than Think boats' venturi's too. I figure this must create a decent amount more resistance than boats with 1 slim cover and definitely more than all the new bailer boats.

I was down for the Gorge race last summer and saw a newer elite S that had much slimmer and streamlined venturi covers. Do you think there's a worthwhile speed benefit to bother trying to sources these slimmer covers, figure out how to get my current ones off and epoxy on the new ones?

Has anybody done much gps time-trialing to tease out the differences between two -venturis, one venturi or a flush bailer?

Thanks!

Nelo 560 Mark verses Nello 560 M - by: brokewolf

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There is a 560 Mark for sale locally. Seller claims it is one year old. It does not have the new type bailer according to pics. Is this a pre Oscar boat or is the same as the 560 M. I have included a pic of boat. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Bill

Belgium - by: frpaddler

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hi

Anybody paddling on a regular basis in Belgium?
Any casual paddler in sprint kayak near Brussels?

Cheers

Braca XI Surfski Version - by: HangTen

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Has anyone tried the Braca XI "surfski" version and compared to the original Braca XI and Extra light XI blades?

I remember reading somewhere Oscar Chalupsky's feedback was utilized to update design reinforced blade/shaft, but wondering if anyone can comment from experience. The Extra light is lighter and I believe stiffer, but the other two seem to have the same published specs.

Surfski version:
paddles.braca-sport.com/paddles/other-pa...sen-92-surf-ski.html

Original/Extra Light
paddles.braca-sport.com/paddles/kayak/br...xi-van-dusen-92.html

Surfski Width x Length Chart - Sept. 2017 - by: owenfromwales

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In 2013 there were about 50 ski designs on the list, today (Sept. 2017) it`s up to 202 and there must a few more out there that are absent. Feel free to let me know what`s wrong/missing from the list.

Happy paddling all!

Owen
(present set up: Stellar SEI 2G in Advantage lay-up, and Knysna Racing Delta L paddle.)


Surfski Width x Length Chart – January 2017

Manufacturer Name of Ski Width Length

O'Krea Oya 40 605

Huki S1-Z 40.64 635
Huki S1-A 40.64 5588

Scofits Ayahavela SSR 41 633
Scofits Ayahavela Bullet 41 633

Carbonology K1 Downriver ski 41.5 520

Stellar SES 41.6 620

Neumann Adventure Racing 42 660
Vajda Orca 42 650
Think Uno (pre 2016) 42 648
DD3 Envy 42 645
Sipre Sea Vortex 42 645
Nelo M/XL (2010) 42 640
DD3 Turbo G2 (2017) 42 638
Elio Mazu Pro I 42 627

Fenn Elite SL 42.5 644
Fenn Elite Spark 42.5 644
Fenn Elite Glide 42.5 644

Allwave CX 42.8 640
Ocean Built Kona K-64 42.8 640
Ocean Built Konastorm KS-64 42.8 640

Epic V14 (new) 42.9 640

Kayak Pro Oquendo 43 659
Zed Tech Dominator 43 658
Honcho Oceans Pro 43 647
Opium Infinity 43 645
Think Uno (2016) 43 645

Think Uno Max 43 645
Fenn Mako Elite 43 644
Think Legend 43 643
DD3 Turbo (2012) 43 640
Epic V12 (new) 43 640

Epic V14 (old) 43 640
Flow Kayaks Addict 43 640
Flow Kayaks Sharpski 43 640
Knysna Genius 40 43 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro (to 2017) 43 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro 64 (2018) 43 640

Revo R1 43 635
Carbonology Flash (2017) 43 635
Honcho Extreme 43 634
Vajda Next 43 630
Knysna Genius 20 43 628
Nordic Kayaks Fusion (2009) 43 625
Ozean OSS 2 43 6245

Elio Pro Elite 43 620
O'Krea Ozo 43 616
Carbonology Pulse 43 605
Epic V11 (2017) 43 579
Nordic Kayaks Rapido 1 Super 43 565

Huki S1-X 43.18 640

Epic V10 (old) 43.4 650
Epic V10L (old) 43.4 650

Red7 Surf70 43.5 660
DD3 XLR8 43.5 655
Ozean OSS I 43.5 6495
Stellar SEL 2G 43.5 645
Vajda Hawx 43.5 643.5

Epic V12 (old) 43.5 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro+ 43.5 640
Seabird 6.4 43.5 640
Vajda Hawx 43 43.5 633

Kayak Centre Eos 660 43.6 660

Custom Kayaks Bullet ?? 640

Ygara Xama 44 660
Stellar SEL 1G 44 655
DD3 Albatross Gen 6 44 650
DD3 Albatross 44 648
Opium Molokai 44 644

Kayak Sipre Sea Vortex + 44 642
Fenn Mako 6 44 640
Nelo XXL 44 640
Felci Yachts Windseeker 44 620
Carbonology Pulse 44 610
Epic V10L (new) 44 615
Carbonology Pulse (2017) 44 600
Nordic Kayaks Nitro 60 (2017) 44 600
Carbonology Atom 44 595
Nordic Kayaks Rapido 2.0 44 585

Van Dusen Mohican 44.45 646.4

Stellar SE 44.5 655
Think Ion 44.5 642
Carbonology Flash (old) 44.5 635
Knysna Mac Rhythm 44.5 590
Chalupski Oscar/Hummel 44.5 580

Epic New V10 45 645
Opium DW 45 645
Sipre Ackua Veloce 45 645
Icon Genesis 45 640
Nelo Vintage 45 640
Elio 45 45 610

Fenn Swordfish 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm + (to 2017) 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm 61 (2018) 45 610
Zed Tech Griffin ++ 45 590
Nelo 560L 45 560

Nelo 560M/L 45 560
Nelo 560M 45 560
Sipre Ackua 560 45 560
O'Krea Marmousse 45 450

Huki S1-XL 45.72 640

Allwave Volo 46 642
Custom Kayaks Focus 46 642
Custom Kayaks Synergy 46 642
Revo R2 46 635
Ozean OSS 3 46 6245
Knysna BLU 46 620
Carbonology Vault (2017b) 46 610
Stellar SEI 46 610
Scofits Ayahavela SSS (new)46 600
Vajda Hawx 46 46 590
DD3 Magnum 46 580
Nelo 550 46 550

Carbonology Vault (2017a) 46.5 612
Scofits Ayahavela SSS (old) 46.5 598
DD3 Australis 46.5 580
DD3 Wahoo Sport 46.5 579
Nordic Kayaks Storm 57 (2017) 46.5 570

Huki S1-R 46.99 607

Honcho Rookie 47 647
Custom Kayaks Icon 47
Think Evo (2016) 47 625
Zed Tech Dominator XL 47 620
Carbonology Vault (old) 47 595
Spirit Fury 47

Fenn XT (older) 47.5 600
Finn Molakai 47.5 590

Neumann Adventure 48 640
Revo R3 (2016) 48 635
Think Evo II 48 625
Carbonology Zest (old) 48 615
Kayak Pro Oquendo Sport 48 614

Epic V10 Sport (new) 48 610
Seabird 6.1 48 610
Revo R3 (2017) 48 605
Arrow 48 590
Stellar SR 48 584
Aquarius Coaster 48 580
Elio Fitness 48 580
Honcho Guevara 48 580

Knysna CLK 48 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 48 580
Ozean OSS 4 48 5795
Sipre Marlin M 48 578
Point Horizon 48 573
Custom Kayaks Horizon 48 560
Custom Kayaks Mentor 48 560
Aquarius Coda 48 400
Knysna Guppie 48 400

Epic V10 Sport (old) 48.3 610

Kayak Centre Zeplin 48.5 660
Knysna Jester 48.5 457

Flow Kayaks Superstar 49 595
de Brito 59 49 590
Fenn Mako XT 49 588
Opium Moana 49 588

Lifesaving/Spec ski min.wid/max.len 49 580

Nordic Kayaks Squall + (to 2017) 49 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 58 (2018) 49 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 54 (2017) 49 540
Carbonology Splash 49 485

Carbonology Zest (old) 49.5 595

DD3 Maxx (2017) 50 600
Nordic Kayaks Breeze (`til 2015) 50 600
Carbonology Boost (2017a) 50 595
Honcho Guru 50 580
Spirit PRS 50 567
Allwave Genesi 50 520

Epic V8 Pro 50.5 579

Carbonology Boost (2017b) 51 595
Think Eze (pre 2016) 51 520
Think Eze (2016) 51 518
Spirit Racing Ski 51 496

Think Zen 52 560
Vajda Hawx 52 52 554
Opium Rider 52 553
Vajda Raptor 52 530
Nelo 520 52 520

Knysna Genius RS 52.5 580

Fenn Blue-Fin 53 590
Vajda Oscar 53 559
Axis Kayaks S4 53 507
Axis Kayaks S2 53 460

Stellar S18S 53.3 550

Nordic Kayaks Exrcize 54 550
Sipre Ackua Fun 54 550
Epic V8 (new) 54 548
Finn Endorfinn 54 522
Epic V7 54 520
Nordic Kayaks Breeze PE (2017) 54 505

Seabird 5.5 55 555
Elio 55 55 520
Nelo Viper 55 55 520
Nelo 510 55 510

Mirage 583 Freeride 55.5 580

Epic V8 (old) 55.88 548

de Brito 59w 56 590
Carbonology Cruz 56 550
Think Big Eze/Eze 56 538

Allwave Colibri 57 418

Stellar S16S 58.1 488

Epic V6 58.4 488

Cobra Eliminator 58.42 503

Epic V5 60 426

Spirit Crosstrainer CTR 61 400

Stellar S14S 62.8 436

Current Designs 140 66.04 427


List compiled by Owen on Okinawa, February, 2012.
Up-dated 26 April, 2013
Last up-dated January 2017.
Some info above may be incorrect or missing. Most measurements have been taken from manufacturers websites. Therefore, apologies in advance for any mistakes I`ve made and feel free to contact me with any information that should be adjusted or added:
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F*#^%+£! - by: MCImes

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Arrg. I'm so angry (at myself) and just need to vent.

I have been traveling and haven't paddled in 2 weeks. It was a nice and calm fall day in the northeast (US) and was looking forward to my first paddle in a while.

I was at the river bank walking down (10' from the water) when I slipped on the muddy bank and dropped my boat from head level!!!

It wouldn't have been so bad but for the broken up concrete slabs lining the bank. Luckily I landed ok, a sore ankle but otherwise ok, but my boat now has 2 punctures through the other layer of the core. I don't think either went thru to the inside but the worse of the 2 spots now has a soft spot running parallel with the hull about 1' long. Not good.

#*%*@&!'^]~•¥€*> am I angry at myself for doing this! F***!!!!

So now I get to fix it I guess. I've fixed much worse on multiple occasions, so I'm not really too worried about doing the repair, I'm triple pissed that 1. I did the first damage to an otherwise pristine boat, 2. didn't get to paddling and won't for a third week, and 3. now have to spend several hours fixing this. So angry with myself right now. Grr.

On the up side I just bought a Think ultra small paddle to try out. My joints suck and don't like much force (an epic small mid wing was still enough to make gen hurt after 7-10 miles). I'm trying out the Think ultra small 645 cm2 paddle to see if it stresses my joints less, and I picked it up brand new, full carbon layup for $155 shipped, which is pretty sweet. Now I'll have to fix my boat before it arrives in a couple weeks. Grr

Anyways, /rant.

Hope your latest outing went better than mine :)

Loan/Hire a Surf Ski - South Broome - 19-28 December 2017 - by: mark humphrey

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Hi ,

I will be visiting South Broome from 19 December to 28 Dec 2017 from Aus and was wondering if any body has a old/unused /available surf ski & feathered paddle ( I paddle an intermediate ski - fenn swordfish) that i could use.

Simply to have some fun if possible, dont want to spend a bomb but obviously can enter into a fair arrangement

Kind Regards

Mark Humphrey

+61 431636920
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Carbonology Vs think Evo Gen2 - by: RichardCampbell

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Hi I am currently paddling a Carbonology Vault 1st gen(Australian), The paddling i'm doing and i'm still learning, I find the Vault a bit unstable in messed up water,Like boat wake, Or tide chop or swell coming from angles. I was looking to get out of the ski, And i was looking at the Think Evo Gen 2 (2016), Just wondering if i would be wasting my time to change.
I'm paddling twice a week in enclosed waters only
Any feed back would be appreciated
Thanks
Richard
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