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Shark Takes Bite Out Of Paddler's Surfski - by: rubberDuck


Advanced Surf Ski for a beginner - by: LakeMan

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First let me say thank you to all of you on this forum for your invaluable information on skis. Trying to learn about them has been a fun adventure and you've all made it more enjoyable.

I've been sea kayaking for 3 decades so I'm no beginner to the sport. However I have only been on one ski and that was a demo day on the Atlantic. I fell in love with them right there and this was at least twenty years ago. The boats have come a long way since then. I am in the hunt for my first one now.

My question and comment is this... why the push for beginners to get "beginner" skis? Is it to sell more boats? Is it because people will give up if it's too challenging? If a man wants a corvette we don't say "buy a Miata first until you get used to sports cars" or if someone wants to take up tennis we don't say "go to Walmart and get a $30 racket until you learn the sport and then get a Wilson Hammer". Yet we do it with kayaks. I say buy the best you can afford and learn to use it. Are the higher-end skis tippy? Heck yes. But so was learning to ride a bicycle when I was five. We learn, we adjust. What happened to having some backbone?

These are my thoughts. I'm looking for something thin and fast. No beginner crafts for me. There are a lot more but I don't want to bore you any further.

New V12 - by: Dnob

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Anybody been out in the new V12 and can share thoughts and/ or pictures? seen some pics on the boat but nothing on the hull.
Overall seems like an really interesting boat but would be great to hear someones feedback on it

Venturi-ectomy – Bailer-plasty - by: Simon Haywood

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In response to several requests, this is how I’ve fitted Andersen Super Mini (‘Special’) bailer to a Stellar SEI (excel)...There are some short cuts I've found along the way (*SC = short cuts).
Like any operation there are several ways of performing it - this is just one...

Part 1.

Operation: ‘Venturi-ectomy – Bailer-plasty’ Nov 13’

NB: This will probably affect my warranty on my ski – but I’d rather have better drainage.

Disclosure: I’m a ‘C’ grade paddler (and not a good one at that!), I have no formal qualifications in boat building – But, I do have close access to one for advice & help...and nearly 40 years experience mucking around with boats.




First of all – Make a mould – This will pay dividends in time/finish. The mould is just two blocks of timber which is glued & screwed together then covered in flowcoat/gelcoat. When finished - Use wax & release agent...Apply the finish gelcoat to the mould – Then apply three layers of 200grm Carbon Fibre & a little bit of chop strand mat – I use West 105 epoxy resin.


Remove the bottom rail (this is screwed and glued in - *SC: do not remove - use a dremel tool to cut & shape) Remove hood & bullet off the bottom – I used a chisel – (*SC: grind it off)

Using the mould/tray you made as your template mark out where it sits and cut out – inside & out.





Fit the bailer to newly created tray – countersunk bolts are fitted from the underside-out – these need to be notched and glassed in (so they do not spin).

You must bond the inside(deck) to hull be sure to fill all the exposed nomex cells – this needs to air/water tight – I use mix of resin, micro balloons/q cells with glass strands mixed in. Use the same process to bond/glass the tray too.




Fill fair and gelcoat the interior / Spray gelcoat to the exterior

Thermoplastic Surfskis, Racing Skis - by: Uffilation

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Made the list to seek for a downriver (stone hitting) alternative for the flatter days(+family/guests "abuse ski"), maybe someone has a use for the list for his/her own quest. I guess there are more thermoplastic surfskis and SOT-type-Ski-Hybrids on the market, so you are invited to add the list or correct mistakes. tia

Actual prices s.b. outdated or differ or be lower or ...:

Spirit PRS SKI, Spirit PRS Elite SKI
Manufacturing process: rotomoulding
Made in: Australia
Material: PE
Length: 567cm
Width: 50cm
Moulded weight: 20.5kg
Moulded weight, Elite: 18.3kg
Weights fully outfitted: ?
Colours: white+many others as per google
Price: from AU$1595, 1190€

Spirit Racing SKI
Manufacturing process: rotomoulding
Made in: Australia
Material: PE
Length 496m
Width: 51cm
Moulded weight: 19.5kg
Weight fully outfitted: ?
Colours: white
Price: from AU $1295

Spirit Fury Racing Ski
Manufacturing process: rotomoulding
Made in: Australia
Material: PE
Moulded Weight: 19kg
Moulded Weight: Elite 17.6kg
Length: 570m
Width: 47cm
Price: from AU$ 1895.00

FINN Molokai
Manufacturing process: rotomoulding
Made in: Australia
Material: PE
Length 590m
Width: 47,5cm
Moulded Weight: 18kg
Price: AU$ $2150 (website)

FINN Endorfinn
Manufacturing process: rotomoulding
Made in: Australia
Material: PE
Length: 520cm
Width: 54cm
Standard Weight 18kg plus deckout 5-6kg
Lightweight 15kg plus deckout 5-6kg
Standard AU$1399 (website)
Lightweight AU$1649 (website)

Cobra Surf Ski
Manufacturing process: rotomoulding
Made in: New Zealand
Material: PE
Length: 520cm
Weight: 21 kg?
Price: ?

VAJDA Raptor Ski
Manufacturing process: thermoforming
Made in: Slovakia
Material: double layered ABS-type with outer acrylic layer
Length: 535cm
Width: 53cm
Weight fully outfitted: 19.5kg
Colours: pearl white, metallic: orange, red, blue
Price: 1250-1350+- €

Epic V7
Manufacturing process: rotomoulding
Made in: South Africa ? (test paddled one with Made in USA sticker though, anyone has details?)
Material: PE, solid skin with foam layer
Length 520m
Width: 54cm
Moulded weight: <19kg
Weight fully outfitted: 22.7kg (from EPIC website)
Colours: white
Price: $1495, Au$ 1995, 1295€

THINK Nitro/Pyranha Octane
Manufacturing process: rotomoulding
To be made in: England?
Material: PE
Length 535cm
Width: 53cm
Color: orange, white

Liker Surfski PE
Maker: Liker Kayak, China
Length: 505cm
Width:55cm
Depth:35cm
Weight:21kgs

NELO 510, PE ... ????
pops up in the 2016 pricelist for surfskis , so?

Epic V14 Ultra almost new - by: Van Schaik

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Epic V14 ultra for sale only paddled 5 times.
Cape Town (0824917618)

Venturi-ectomy – Bailer-plasty - by: Simon Haywood

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In response to several requests, this is how I’ve fitted Andersen Super Mini (‘Special’) bailer to a Stellar SEI (excel)...There are some short cuts I've found along the way (*SC = short cuts).
Like any operation there are several ways of performing it - this is just one...

Part 1.

Operation: ‘Venturi-ectomy – Bailer-plasty’ Nov 13’

NB: This will probably affect my warranty on my ski – but I’d rather have better drainage.

Disclosure: I’m a ‘C’ grade paddler (and not a good one at that!), I have no formal qualifications in boat building – But, I do have close access to one for advice & help...and nearly 40 years experience mucking around with boats.




First of all – Make a mould – This will pay dividends in time/finish. The mould is just two blocks of timber which is glued & screwed together then covered in flowcoat/gelcoat. When finished - Use wax & release agent...Apply the finish gelcoat to the mould – Then apply three layers of 200grm Carbon Fibre & a little bit of chop strand mat – I use West 105 epoxy resin.


Remove the bottom rail (this is screwed and glued in - *SC: do not remove - use a dremel tool to cut & shape) Remove hood & bullet off the bottom – I used a chisel – (*SC: grind it off)

Using the mould/tray you made as your template mark out where it sits and cut out – inside & out.





Fit the bailer to newly created tray – countersunk bolts are fitted from the underside-out – these need to be notched and glassed in (so they do not spin).

You must bond the inside(deck) to hull be sure to fill all the exposed nomex cells – this needs to air/water tight – I use mix of resin, micro balloons/q cells with glass strands mixed in. Use the same process to bond/glass the tray too.




Fill fair and gelcoat the interior / Spray gelcoat to the exterior

Why are most surf skis white? - by: LakeMan

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I'm not sure there's a simple answer but maybe there is. My first guess would be that if lost at sea you'd be easier to find however in high-seas with whitecaps that may not be true. Maybe white is easier to manufacture. Maybe it just makes for a better looking boat. Am I missing something? Thanks

FENN Mako6 v Elite SL - by: DS

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am an intermediate to average paddler looking to upgrade from Mako6 to EliteSL. What are the differences in boat handling, stability, performance etc.
Are they more unstable in rough conditions?

Venturi-ectomy – Bailer-plasty - by: Simon Haywood

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In response to several requests, this is how I’ve fitted Andersen Super Mini (‘Special’) bailer to a Stellar SEI (excel)...There are some short cuts I've found along the way (*SC = short cuts).
Like any operation there are several ways of performing it - this is just one...

Part 1.

Operation: ‘Venturi-ectomy – Bailer-plasty’ Nov 13’

NB: This will probably affect my warranty on my ski – but I’d rather have better drainage.

Disclosure: I’m a ‘C’ grade paddler (and not a good one at that!), I have no formal qualifications in boat building – But, I do have close access to one for advice & help...and nearly 40 years experience mucking around with boats.




First of all – Make a mould – This will pay dividends in time/finish. The mould is just two blocks of timber which is glued & screwed together then covered in flowcoat/gelcoat. When finished - Use wax & release agent...Apply the finish gelcoat to the mould – Then apply three layers of 200grm Carbon Fibre & a little bit of chop strand mat – I use West 105 epoxy resin.


Remove the bottom rail (this is screwed and glued in - *SC: do not remove - use a dremel tool to cut & shape) Remove hood & bullet off the bottom – I used a chisel – (*SC: grind it off)

Using the mould/tray you made as your template mark out where it sits and cut out – inside & out.





Fit the bailer to newly created tray – countersunk bolts are fitted from the underside-out – these need to be notched and glassed in (so they do not spin).

You must bond the inside(deck) to hull be sure to fill all the exposed nomex cells – this needs to air/water tight – I use mix of resin, micro balloons/q cells with glass strands mixed in. Use the same process to bond/glass the tray too.




Fill fair and gelcoat the interior / Spray gelcoat to the exterior

Resistance Training - by: robin.mousley

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I just posted an article written by Roei Yellin on Resistance Training... Roei was on the Israeli Olympics team in 2000 and 2004; he's now an avid surfski paddler based in Israel and works for Motionize.

Roei Yellin on Resistance Training

The optimal GPS for surf ski - by: SurfskiEstonia

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Hi, guys!

I've been using a Garmin Vivoactive (1st gen) for 2 years, but don't have it anymore.

Would like to take a look at products outside the Garmin/Suunto/Polar GPS watches. When I think about the activities where I really use GPS capabilities, those are surf ski paddling (85%) and bicycling (15%). So I don't really need all those smart watch functions.

Do You have any suggestions/thoughts about an appropriate GPS watch/gadget to be mounted on a surf ski.

The keywords are:

1. Waterproof
2. Reasonable accuracy (want to see the speed while accelerating down the wave)
3. Sufficient screen visibility in the sun and dark
4. Comfortable carry and mounting on the ski

All suggestions are very welcome :) Thanks!!

What is the best ski finish? - by: LakeMan

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In other words which is better? Polyurethane or gelcoat? I've read some motor boat sights and it seems to be a debate on which is better. I'm not a chemist and have never owned a boat coated in polyurethane so I know nothing except what I've read. Is polyurethane a good, strong and dependable ski finish?

Kayak Pro - by: Brad carr

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Want to buy Kayak Pro, are there any second hand ones for sale

KAYAKPRO SPEEDSTROKE ERGOMETER for sale - by: Tom

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Two years old. Good condition. $3600 new.

For sale for $2000 or best offer. Please submit your best offer to me by 10th February 2017.

Are you a kayaker or a ski paddler? Do you want to get better?

You need a KayakPro SpeedStroke Ergometer, the preferred ergometer of the Australian Institute of Sport. KayakPro, the official suppliers of ergometers to the 2004 Athens Games, 2006 Asian Games, 2008 Beijing Olympic Games, 2010 Asian Games, and 2012 London Olympic Games.

SpeedStroke Gym is KayakPro’s heavy-use Kayak Ergometer, designed for high input and multi-user use in Gyms, clubs and by professionals. It’s extremely robust steel construction and easy operating mechanisms allow easy use and adjustment. The SpeedStroke Gym Kayak ergometer replicates kayaking precisely. It is fully performance calibrated for kayaks and gives the same “on-the-water” feel as real kayaking .

This is the crème de la crème kayak ergometer.




Erik Borgnes says:

"1. The Speedstroke GYM is exceptionally robust. I think that this GYM will outlast me. The only question will be which one of my children will inherit it.

2. The Gym provides excellent simulation of the kayak stroke technique. You will develop and hone proper technique on this ergometer.

3. The rope pulley system is exceptionally smooth. The catch is immediate and solid, just like a kayak or surfski on the water.

4 Computer – Having so much data on a compact display is great. I also like that because of the ability to calibrate the computer monitor, I can take technique and balance and weather out of the equation and accurately measure how much power I can produce today, mid season, next year, and next decade.

5 Software – The possibility of online training and racing is a Godsend to those of us who are not able to train routinely with a club during daylight hours. Also, because there are three software products already available for the GYM, because KayakPro has developed relationships with the British Canoe Union, the French Canoe Kayak Association, The Canadian Canoe Association, the Hungarian Canoe Federation, and will supply the ergometers for the USA indoor paddling championships, they have momentum and international recognition. The Speedstroke GYM is also used by many of the world’s best ICF paddlers, so some day it might be possible for me to race Tim Brabants or Eirik Veraas Larsen online for a virtual beer. . . and make them pay up in Dubai . . .

...Over the past decade, I have owned and/or tried four other kayak ergometers, and the Speedstroke GYM is hands-down the best one..."

Camera setup........... show us how it's done - by: SkiTutukaka

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Hi there, as the title implies I'm after help sorting a camera mount.

Using a garmin vibe and know there's angles/mast mount designs and a plethora of DIY solutions out there. Please post pics of your setup and if you've video online post a link showcasing the resultant footage.


Many thanks

Video thread - by: Hiro

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Wanted to start a thread where we would post our paddling videos. No stroke analisys or technical stuff. Just paddling for the fun of it.
Here's mine.
real fun starts at 3:45

Surfski Width x Length Chart - Sept. 2017 - by: owenfromwales

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In 2013 there were about 50 ski designs on the list, today (Sept. 2017) it`s up to 202 and there must a few more out there that are absent. Feel free to let me know what`s wrong/missing from the list.

Happy paddling all!

Owen
(present set up: Stellar SEI 2G in Advantage lay-up, and Knysna Racing Delta L paddle.)


Surfski Width x Length Chart – January 2017

Manufacturer Name of Ski Width Length

O'Krea Oya 40 605

Huki S1-Z 40.64 635
Huki S1-A 40.64 5588

Scofits Ayahavela SSR 41 633
Scofits Ayahavela Bullet 41 633

Carbonology K1 Downriver ski 41.5 520

Stellar SES 41.6 620

Neumann Adventure Racing 42 660
Vajda Orca 42 650
Think Uno (pre 2016) 42 648
DD3 Envy 42 645
Sipre Sea Vortex 42 645
Nelo M/XL (2010) 42 640
Elio Mazu Pro I 42 627

Fenn Elite SL 42.5 644
Fenn Elite Spark 42.5 644
Fenn Elite Glide 42.5 644

Allwave CX 42.8 640
Ocean Built Kona K-64 42.8 640
Ocean Built Konastorm KS-64 42.8 640

Epic V14 (new) 42.9 640

Kayak Pro Oquendo 43 659
Zed Tech Dominator 43 658
Honcho Oceans Pro 43 647
Opium Infinity 43 645
Think Uno (2016) 43 645

Think Uno Max 43 645
Fenn Mako Elite 43 644
Think Legend 43 643
DD3 Turbo 43 640
Epic V12 (new) 43 640

Epic V14 (old) 43 640
Flow Kayaks Addict 43 640
Flow Kayaks Sharpski 43 640
Knysna Genius 40 43 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro 43 640

Revo R1 43 635
Carbonology Flash (2017) 43 635
Honcho Extreme 43 634
Vajda Next 43 630
Knysna Genius 20 43 628
Nordic Kayaks Fusion (2009) 43 625
Ozean OSS 2 43 6245

Elio Pro Elite 43 620
O'Krea Ozo 43 616
Carbonology Pulse 43 605
Epic V11 (2017) 43 579
Nordic Kayaks Rapido 1 Super 43 565

Huki S1-X 43.18 640

Epic V10 (old) 43.4 650
Epic V10L (old) 43.4 650

Red7 Surf70 43.5 660
DD3 XLR8 43.5 655
Ozean OSS I 43.5 6495
Stellar SEL 2G 43.5 645
Vajda Hawx 43.5 643.5

Epic V12 (old) 43.5 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro+ 43.5 640
Seabird 6.4 43.5 640
Vajda Hawx 43 43.5 633

Kayak Centre Eos 660 43.6 660

Custom Kayaks Bullet ?? 640

Ygara Xama 44 660
Stellar SEL 1G 44 655
DD3 Albatross Gen 6 44 650
DD3 Albatross 44 648
Opium Molokai 44 644

Kayak Sipre Sea Vortex + 44 642
Fenn Mako 6 44 640
Nelo XXL 44 640
Felci Yachts Windseeker 44 620
Carbonology Pulse 44 610
Epic V10L (new) 44 615
Carbonology Pulse (2017) 44 600
Nordic Kayaks Nitro 60 (2017) 44 600
Carbonology Atom 44 595
Nordic Kayaks Rapido 2.0 44 585

Van Dusen Mohican 44.45 646.4

Stellar SE 44.5 655
Think Ion 44.5 642
Carbonology Flash (old) 44.5 635
Knysna Mac Rhythm 44.5 590
Chalupski Oscar/Hummel 44.5 580

Epic New V10 45 645
Opium DW 45 645
Sipre Ackua Veloce 45 645
Icon Genesis 45 640
Nelo Vintage 45 640
Elio 45 45 610

Fenn Swordfish 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm + 45 610
Zed Tech Griffin ++ 45 590
Nelo 560L 45 560

Nelo 560M/L 45 560
Nelo 560M 45 560
Sipre Ackua 560 45 560
O'Krea Marmousse 45 450

Huki S1-XL 45.72 640

Allwave Volo 46 642
Custom Kayaks Focus 46 642
Custom Kayaks Synergy 46 642
Revo R2 46 635
Ozean OSS 3 46 6245
Knysna BLU 46 620
Carbonology Vault (2017b) 46 610
Stellar SEI 46 610
Scofits Ayahavela SSS (new)46 600
Vajda Hawx 46 46 590
DD3 Magnum 46 580
Nordic Kayaks Storm 57 (2017) 46 570
Nelo 550 46 550

Carbonology Vault (2017a) 46.5 612
Scofits Ayahavela SSS (old) 46.5 598
DD3 Australis 46.5 580
DD3 Wahoo Sport 46.5 579

Huki S1-R 46.99 607

Honcho Rookie 47 647
Custom Kayaks Icon 47
Think Evo (2016) 47 625
Zed Tech Dominator XL 47 620
Carbonology Vault (old) 47 595
Spirit Fury 47

Fenn XT (older) 47.5 600
Finn Molakai 47.5 590

Neumann Adventure 48 640
Revo R3 (2016) 48 635
Think Evo II 48 625
Carbonology Zest (old) 48 615
Kayak Pro Oquendo Sport 48 614

Epic V10 Sport (new) 48 610
Seabird 6.1 48 610
Revo R3 (2017) 48 605
Arrow 48 590
Stellar SR 48 584
Aquarius Coaster 48 580
Elio Fitness 48 580
Honcho Guevara 48 580

Knysna CLK 48 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 48 580
Ozean OSS 4 48 5795
Sipre Marlin M 48 578
Point Horizon 48 573
Custom Kayaks Horizon 48 560
Custom Kayaks Mentor 48 560
Aquarius Coda 48 400
Knysna Guppie 48 400

Epic V10 Sport (old) 48.3 610

Kayak Centre Zeplin 48.5 660
Knysna Jester 48.5 457

Flow Kayaks Superstar 49 595
de Brito 59 49 590
Fenn Mako XT 49 588
Opium Moana 49 588
Lifesaving/Spec ski min.wid/max.len 49 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall + 49 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 54 (2017) 49 570
Carbonology Splash 49 485

Carbonology Zest (old) 49.5 595

Nordic Kayaks Breeze (pre 2017) 50 600
Carbonology Boost (2017a) 50 595
Honcho Guru 50 580
Spirit PRS 50 567
Allwave Genesi 50 520

Epic V8 Pro 50.5 579

Carbonology Boost (2017b) 51 595
Think Eze (pre 2016) 51 520
Think Eze (2016) 51 518
Spirit Racing Ski 51 496

Think Zen 52 560
Vajda Hawx 52 52 554
Opium Rider 52 553
Vajda Raptor 52 530
Nelo 520 52 520

Knysna Genius RS 52.5 580

Fenn Blue-Fin 53 590
Vajda Oscar 53 559
Axis Kayaks S4 53 507
Axis Kayaks S2 53 460

Stellar S18S 53.3 550

Nordic Kayaks Exrcize 54 550
Sipre Ackua Fun 54 550
Epic V8 (new) 54 548
Finn Endorfinn 54 522
Epic V7 54 520
Nordic Kayaks Breeze PE 54 505

Seabird 5.5 55 555
Elio 55 55 520
Nelo Viper 55 55 520
Nelo 510 55 510

Mirage 583 Freeride 55.5 580

Epic V8 (old) 55.88 548

de Brito 59w 56 590
Carbonology Cruz 56 550
Think Big Eze/Eze 56 538

Allwave Colibri 57 418

Stellar S16S 58.1 488

Epic V6 58.4 488

Cobra Eliminator 58.42 503

Epic V5 60 426

Spirit Crosstrainer CTR 61 400

Stellar S14S 62.8 436

Current Designs 140 66.04 427


List compiled by Owen on Okinawa, February, 2012.
Up-dated 26 April, 2013
Last up-dated January 2017.
Some info above may be incorrect or missing. Most measurements have been taken from manufacturers websites. Therefore, apologies in advance for any mistakes I`ve made and feel free to contact me with any information that should be adjusted or added:
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The holy grail of surfski design - ultimately ... - by: Impala

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The holy grail of surfski design has ultimately been found announced:

www.surfski600.com/

Sounds like a paraphrase on the German Graf Spee micro cruisers (faster than any stronger ship, stronger than any faster ship).

What are people using for paddle grips? - by: davgdavg

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I'd like to increase the diameter of my paddle a little by putting some sort of grip on there.

What are people using? (I thought about bicycle handlebar tape, which would be a nice feel, but I think it would lose adhesive quickly from the salt water.)
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